Sunday, July 05, 2009

Intellectual flirting

Pinchas posted an interesting link on FB:

Iranian Clerics Declare Ahmadinejed Re-Election Illegitimate Source:

Iranian Clerics Declare Ahmadinejed Re-Election Illegitimate, An influential group of Iranian clerics took sides late Saturday, calling June's re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and by extension his government, illegitimate.

Comments flew thick and fast.

Pinchas: Significant development.

Ayelet: WTF?????? Moshiach must be imminent!

Pinchas: or Armageddon. (hopefully, in the immediate future, a more cooperative regime, then positive reform and, one day, a constitutional democracy.)

Ayelet: I'd rather have Moshiach ;)

Your move on Lexulous, unless you don't want to play.

Pinchas: well, perhaps within the next 230 years. i'll try to make a move before then.


Ayelet: okay, I can take a hint

Pinchas: It's a chink in the armor of the regime and undermines confidence in the supreme leader, who exercises more power than the president, a figurehead. i doubt he'll retract though, unless the Assembly of 86 Mujtahids threatens to dismiss him.

Ayelet: Wouldn't it be simpler to behead him, or crush him under a wall, or cut off his hands?

Renee: 87 lashes on the backside of his flesh.

Ayelet: Anyone else think all these Islamic punishments are just subconscious expressions of repressed sexual tension?

Pinchas: no. they are from traditional Islam, but applied only by fundamentalists. Jewish law, before Roman times, also had stoning and crushing (skila) for adultery, decapitation, and lashes (makot) for lesser offenses

Ayelet: Pre-Islamic culture was pretty misogynistic. Women were demonized, and sexual expression was dirty. Honor killings and female genital mutilation predate the Koran. Islamic culture didn't do much to liberate men or women from very strict sexual mores. The repression leads to reaction formation, a defense mechanism that causes people to overreact the opposite way of how they're feeling. Every violent expression of sharia law can be traced back to a subverted sexual impulse.

Pinchas: you asked about methods of capital punishment, often applied to men, not about female genital mutilation, required covering of the entire head and face, etc. i don't know their psychology or whether Freudian anaysis applies, just that's it's a violation of basic human rights.

Ayelet: Methods of capital punishment are part of state-sanctioned violence, just like prevalent feminine genital mutilation. It's all related. Any society that resorts to that much violence to deal with that many circumstances is projecting MAJOR anger and hostility, and externalizing the expression of that hostility toward "safe targets" -- i.e., people they consider to be deviants.

Renee: And perhaps, touching on what Ayelet has said, that shows up in our (Western) horror over suicide bombings, which is no different to kamikaze we saw in WWII. If we look back at Japanese History pre WWII era we see a horrifically violent nation. Although I often wonder at our own tolerance for violence. Anyway it’s a very interesting theory, especially when you expand it throughout history.

I can't tell if I'm amusing him, driving him further off, or looking like a fool. I deleted the Lexolous game he had no intention of playing. Still, it's something to do on a boring Sunday night.
Copyright (c) "Ayelet Survivor"


  1. Wow Ayelet, I haven't had a chance to read a whole lot of your blog, but I never took you to be a Freudian!

    Anyway, you certainly didn't come off as a fool. But it seems to me that Pinchas doesn't speak your psych theory language so he likely wasn't following your hypothesis and may have felt lost.

    The beginning was some cute flirting though. Only since the invention of internet and text messages has this form of flirting even existed. It is always so interesting to me, as when I was dating it didn't exist yet. And now it opens all sort of avenues to communicate and meet new people.

  2. I'm actually not a Freudian at all, I'm a behaviorist. But I think there is some truth in subconscious forces that influence our behavior. As S. said, though, I don't think Pinchas is interested.